Curse

Dean Harper · Aug 30, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

its not great but its not bad either. VoR is fine, lose energy burn for power drain, and pain inverter for drain enchantment and Ether Sig for Power Spike (one of my personal favorite skills), Cry of Frustration, or Res Sig. If you are just pugging, stick with backfire, but if not, replace it with some other skill - perhaps from your secondary...

Chthon · Aug 30, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

There are better builds, but this one is certainly above average.

RYCHER969 · Sep 05, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

Max your illusion then go to town!

Vader, welcome to the misunderstood world of mesmers in pve.

Lots of wiki-mesmers in game now too...beware the flying dung

I take the sand they kick at me with a calm that stuns.

If u wanna party..ign= Cpt Spalding

upier · Sep 05, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

It's not.
Like, seriously.

JDRyder · Sep 05, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

Max your illusion then go to town!

Vader, welcome to the misunderstood world of mesmers in pve.

Lots of wiki-mesmers in game now too...beware the flying dung

I take the sand they kick at me with a calm that stuns.

If u wanna party..ign= Cpt Spalding

wow imo........

Magikarp · Sep 05, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

Max your illusion then go to town!

Vader, welcome to the misunderstood world of mesmers in pve.

Lots of wiki-mesmers in game now too...beware the flying dung

I take the sand they kick at me with a calm that stuns.

If u wanna party..ign= Cpt Spalding

he's right guys, sig of.. oh wait.. thats right.

OP.. Please don't take this advice..

isamu kurosawa · Sep 05, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

Max your illusion then go to town!

Vader, welcome to the misunderstood world of mesmers in pve.

Lots of wiki-mesmers in game now too...beware the flying dung

I take the sand they kick at me with a calm that stuns.

If u wanna party..ign= Cpt Spalding

Don't worry, im weary of it. Thats why i ignored your "advice".

RYCHER969 · Sep 12, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

if you want to nuke..make an ele..want an aoe-type hex..make a necro (see ss)

I LOVE when a bar has backfire in it and ppl advise adding interupts..best of all cry of frust...

can any1 show me a bar with 6 different attribute skills they can cast at MAX output WITHOUT Sig ill?

hhmm..u want backfire MAXED (sig ill)
how bout an AI (MAXED)+CN (MAXED) for e.mgnt +(MAXED) deep freeze snare?
then any1 for an eruption (MAXED) or 'insert aoe skill here' for (MAXED) dmg..

how bout lvl 20 Murssat + 'sin support MAXED
and o course CoP
...scroll up..thats 6 atts M A X E D

or go grind your title for a week; slap bakckfire on a target then interupt em

Age · Sep 12, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

The only skill that you lack is a res possibly hard res in pve Mesmers are often referred to as resmers.

DarkGanni · Sep 12, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

I'd replace Ether sig for Glyph of Lesser energy and maybe drop Energy burn for Arcane echo.

- Ganni

draxynnic · Sep 12, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Illusionsigging summons has become a lot less attractive with the recent change to PvE skills at lower ranks. Rank 5 or even 6 is easy enough to get, giving a summons level of 17 or 18 - for the cost of two or three levels on the summons, I can get my elite slot back and I don't need to wear a superior rune. Throw in Assassin's Promise and a decent spiking ability, and I can get a small swarm of assassins running around.

The illusionsig does still have its advantages for using multiple lines, but you're still giving up your elite and having to stop from your other activities to renew the signet every three spells. Generally, I'd prefer to have the various skills spread out among multiple characters - for instance, the build you mention could be replaced by two elementalists, one with water snares and one with AoEDoT skills, with the rest of their bars loaded with other utility skills. In a team build, the illusionsig - and the Elementalist counterpart Master of Magic - allow you to compress roles into a single character, but unless your team really is that tight for space, you're probably better splitting them up.

Regarding Backfire and interrupts - different tools for different needs. Even if you're relying on Backfire to punish spamming, it's often useful to have an interrupt you can throw if you see something nasty being cast - there are few things more frustrating than seeing some long-cast spell coming and knowing there's nothing you can do about it. CoF is particularly good for this because it'll disrupt the foe's allies as collateral - and chances are they aren't Backfired.

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 12, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

i've probably posted in here already but i just saw the thread again.
@OP: i prefer mesmers that prevent players from doing things over ones that damage them for doing things. if i want to damage enemies i'll bring a warrior.

zelgadissan · Sep 12, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYCHER969

if you want to nuke..make an ele..

hhmm..u want backfire MAXED (sig ill)
how bout an AI (MAXED)+CN (MAXED) for e.mgnt +(MAXED) deep freeze snare?
then any1 for an eruption (MAXED) or 'insert aoe skill here' for (MAXED) dmg..

I find the hypocrisy very amusing BTW.

Completely 100% agreed with draxynnic - if I were going to try and run a gimmick I would take Arcane Echo + Echo + the EV Assassin over SoI any day, and that's not even a great gimmick.

OP: your build isn't great but if you're enjoying yourself that's what's important. I like faraaz's general idea as far as a better build goes.

RYCHER969 · Sep 12, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Quote:

I find the hypocrisy very amusing BTW.

1 ele skill= nuker??

In re to op, i presume h/h team and not 'theme team' ie:cryway etc.

As far as SoI EVA gimmick? I'd rather the max lvl then several below and prefer not to grind rank.

Mesmers appeal to me is the versatility, hence SoI as tops for that.

Tyla · Sep 12, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by RYCHER969

Sig Ill is best mes leet for pve

Visions of Regret, Echo, Assassin's Promise, Glyph of Renewal, Hex Eater Vortex and Mantra of Recovery are all much better elites to use. Signet of Illusions is a weak skill that only sees use in builds that carry out at least 5 different attributes, and even then it's an incredibly gimmicky skill weaker than all of the above. The power of PvE skills has been changed so it's more favourable compared to pre-change PvE skills, so you don't need to grind as much to get a certain point which also makes it even less effective.